Government mortgage programs are all the rage these days--mainly because that's where the money is. And unlike the crazy, water-tight underwriting of private mortgage programs, government mortgage lenders don't require that you provide a saliva sample and turn over your first-born child.
However, there is one hard-and-fast test. You've got to get through a CAIVRS test. What is CAIVRS? Well, although it's pronounced "cavers," it has nothing to do with spelunking.
CAIVRS stands for Credit Alert Interactive Voice Response System. CAIVRS was developed by HUD and is a federal government database that tracks people who have defaulted on federal debts or obligations, have had claims paid on direct or guaranteed federal loans, have a federal lien, judgment or a federal loan that is currently in default or foreclosure, or has had a claim paid by a reporting agency.
CAIVRS contains delinquent borrower records from:
- the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD);
- the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA);
- the Department of Education (DOE);
- the Department of Agriculture (USDA);
- the Small Business Administration (SBA);
- the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC); and
- the Department of Justice (DOJ).
All federal agencies that extend credit pre-screen all applicants for delinquencies on federal obligations--it's required by law. If you have applied for an FHA mortgage or USDA Rural Development Loan and are not delinquent on federal debt and/or do not have a federal tax lien outstanding, then no worries--the check is a mere formality.
However, if CAIVRS indicates that you are delinquent on federal debt or have had a claim paid in the last three years on any HUD loan, you are not eligible for financing. You will have to pay the debt in full or otherwise bring it current under a repayment plan. If approved you will have to obtain a written copy of the plan from the debt holder. (Federal IRS tax liens may remain unpaid provided the IRS subordinates the tax lien to the FHA mortgage.)
Exceptions to this may be granted under the following situations:
- Assumptions: If you sold the property, with or without a release of liability, to a mortgagor who subsequently defaulted and it can be established that the loan was not in default at the time of assumption, you are eligible.
- Divorce: You may be eligible if the divorce decree or legal separation agreement awarded the property and responsibility for payment is to the former spouse. However, if a claim was paid on a mortgage in default at the time of the divorce, you are not eligible.
- Bankruptcy: When the property was included in a bankruptcy that was caused by circumstances beyond your control (such as the death of the principal wage earner, loss of employment due to factory closing, reductions-in-force, etc., or serious long-term illness), you may be eligible
What if you're on CAIVRS by mistake?
Hey, it happens and it's not uncommon. You don't have to put a bag on your head or anything. Find out from your lender which agency reported you and then you can straighten everything out. Its best if you provide the proof that you paid the claim to both your lender and the reporting agency. This should come up very early in the mortgage process (before your lender can get you a loan case number it has to check CAIVRS) so it doesn't have to hold up your closing. And if you needed another reason to get pre-approved before shopping for a home, you have it.
The federal government can be a tough creditor. While it might make you a loan when no one else will, it will also go to great lengths to collect. And it has more power to do so than anyone.
72 Responses to "Government Loans Are Great--But You've Gotta Pass a CAIVRS Check"
Ok...this site is great.
My husband and I have a Fannie loan that was discharged in a Chapt 7 in April of 2007. At the time, we had a second multifamily home that we lost due to chronic tenant issues (30K loss in a single year due to damages, legal fees, eviction expenses, lost rent, etc.).
Up until this past August, we have "paid and stayed" at the house we live in now...which is the Fannie loan. We stopped paying when we learned that we had no legal liability to the loan, that our house was 100k underwater and that the loan servicer would not modify the loan because we had never been in default.
Prior to the bankruptcy, our credit scores were in the 800s. Since, we've reestablished credit by opening a credit card with a small limit, keeping a small balance on it, paying off two vehicle loans, taking out a new vehicle loan, paying a student loan consistently on time, etc. Our scores are 660ish.
We are relocating out of state and would like to buy a single family home. We are having trouble securing FHA financing because lenders tell us we will need to establish rental payment history or mortgage payment history. We do not have that as of six months ago.
We are technically in default on the Fannie loan. It does not show up on our credit file any different than when we were current...it shows "Discharged in chapt 7." We confirmed with our lawyer this would be the case.
Will we be able to obtain a USDA loan? Will a CAIVRS check show the Fannie default?
Is there ANY chance of us getting an FHA loan right now? We have a house in mind already...and enough to put 10% down.
Any thoughts or suggestions for us to obtain financing right now?
Gina,
Thank you for providing such a helpful site for everyone out there. It can be hard in today's times to find the "right" answer about the ever changing mortgage industry. That being said, I have two simple questions. I know that Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae are GSEs, and have stockholders, so are they considered a government loan such as FHA/VA/USDA? Do Freddie/Fannie, and specifically their REO marketing/repackaging divisions, Homepath and Homesteps use CAIVRS?
Thanks and Happy New Year!
Hi Tanya,
I can only speculate from here but this is my best guess at what happened. When you prequalified for your mortgage and told your lender that you had a bankruptcy discharged in 2006, you would have been told that you could get an FHA loan because FHA allows you to get a mortgage 24 months after discharge and anyone would have assumed that the claim was paid back then as well, which is more than three years ago. Then when you actually completed your application (this is when lenders check CAIVTS) they discovered that your claim was only just now paid. I am not sure why this happened so late -- normally Chase would have had to file a Proof of Claim as soon as they were notified of your bankruptcy. I would ask your bankruptcy lawyer and your bankruptcy trustee why this was allowed and make sure that it was done according to law. Normally, for Chapter 7 or Chapter 13 cases, all proofs of claims must be filed within 90 days after the initial meeting of creditors under 11 U.S.C. ��
341(a).
HERE IS MY SITUATION. ME AND Y HUSBAND FILED BK7 IN 2005 AND WAS DISCHARGED IN 2006. OUR MORTGAGE WAS INCLUDED. WE HAD A FHA LOAN. WE WERE TOLD THAT WE WERE OK TO PURCHASE A HOME AND PRE APPROVED FOR A FHA LOAN. AFTER SPEAKING WITH THE BUILDER AND THE BUILDER STARTED TO BUILD THE HOME, WE GET A CALL LETTING US KNOW THAT WE ARE ON THE CAIVRS SITE. IS SPOKE WITH FHA AND THEY SAID THAT CHASE JUST FILED AND WAS PAID THE CLAIM. WHY WAS I TOLD ONE THING AND NOW I HAVE MONEY VESTED IN A NEW HOME THAT NOW I HAVE TO WAIT THREE YEARS TO HAVE. I HAVE THE EXCEPTIONS AND AT THE TIME THE BILLS WERE UP THE YANG AND ONLY ONE PERSON WAS WORKING. WE HAD TO FILE BANKRUPTCY. WHAT DO I DO AND WHAT IS RIGHT? I WAS TOLD BY FHA THAT THE NEW LENDER SHOULD LOOK INTO EXCEPTIONS AND VA SAID WE SHOULD BE FINE BECAUSE THEY ONLY GO BY THE DISCHARGED DATE.
Hi,
You yourself cannot remove a CAIVRS listing. The reporting agency has to do it and they have their rules. That said, a lender can always choose to fund your loan regardless (but it doesn't happen often). I am a little confused. If I have this right, you are the loan officer who originated the loan, not the borrower? And the fact that you are on CAIVRS made the loan go sideways? That is odd; I have heard of LOs not being able to originate loans if they are on Limited Denial of Participation (LDP) but not CAIVRS.
I am a loan officer on an FHA refinance which had just closed. Unfortunately my lender is unable to insure the loan because my social security number showed up in caivrs due to a defaulted education loan. I have since made arrangement and I am now in repayment status. Please let me know how to get my name off caivrs because the individual to whom I spoke with at the dept. of education told me that not untill I show a total of 9 payments, they will not take my name off. Is that correct or is there anything else I can do about it?
Hi Abe,
Your lender cannot clear CAIVRS for you nor change any correct information. However, FHA doesn't require a clear CAIVRS to insure a loan, only that your lender "document and justify mortgage approval based on these exceptions." I would not describe the fact that your choice of an interest-only mortgage made things difficult as something beyond your control. If it were me and wanted to convince a lender that my BK was not my fault, I'd show that prior to my spouse's illness I was making my mortgage payments successfully (easy to do with a credit report). Then I would calculate my losses caused by turning down OT and taking FMLA as well as the extra medical expenses, transportation, etc. (only costs that you paid not ones that were included in Ch 7). Convince your lender and they should be able to fund your loan.
Hi Gina!
First of all good call on lenders that should check CAIVRS early on. Unfortunately, my lender notified me after I gave earnest money and paid for city certifications. He said "you qualify 3 yrs after discharge" (9/07). Incorrect, as you and many have stated it's 3yrs after mortgage insurance is paid (9/08).
My question relates to exception rule: Bankruptcy. When the property was included in a bankruptcy that was caused by circumstances beyond the borrower's control (such as the death of the principal wage earner or serious long-term uninsured illness), the borrower may be eligible if the borrower meets the requirements in Handbook 4155.1: 4.C.2.g-h.
There were a few things that caused chapter 7; one: was interest only loan that that kept adjusting from $1400 to $3200, in which I continued to pay until two: my wife became extremely ill and spent a few weeks in ICU and once out of the woods, needed care and transportation during 6 months of chemotherapy and many visits to and from hospital and doc appts. This forced me to turn down OT and go on FMLA....this pushed me over the edge and I filed the same month.
I hope this is enough information to answer the next several questions.
Does this qualify for long term illness, although it was my spouse that was ill? She did not work previously and was not on the loan.
If so, Do I submit explanation to HUD or does lender?
If HUD, what is the appropriate site/agency to address it to?
With all the documentation (ER, Chemo apts, FMLA, etc..) do I submit all docs to HUD? seems overwhelming.
How long does this process take?
Lastly, Can I hire you to help me directly???
I appreciate your response in advance!
Thanks,
Abe
Hi Teresa, Very sorry to have left this for so long but I have been out of town. Here is a great Web site with exactly your situation addressed: \
http://www2.ed.gov/offices/OSFAP/DCS/disputes.html#Closed-School
"This loan has my name and SSN, but I did not sign a promissory note for this loan."
To prove that the promissory note was forged, you will be required to submit examples of your signature from around the time that the loan was made (e.g., from tax returns for that year, driver's licenses issued at that time, cancelled checks that you wrote at that time). Alternatively, you can provide proof that you did not attend the school for which the loan was made (e.g., proof that you were living, employed or enrolled in school elsewhere at that time.). Lastly, if you are unable to provide such proof, you can provide a report from an independent handwriting expert to support your claim.
Hi, Gina,
My situation re: CAIVRS is a nightmare. I've strengthened my credit over the last 3+years by becoming an authorized user on my bf's account. I defaulted on a student loan in 1991 or 1992 from a nursing program I went through. And over the past 5 years instead of making payment arrangements on the loan it was financially better for me to just have my tax refunds offset. The final amount of $52.03 was offset this past tax year. (This really has no bearing on my situation, it's just so you know...I'm a whole picture type of gal. My bf and I worked on our credit and decided it was time to purchase a home. Initially, he was to be sole buyer. He didn't make quite enough money on his own and his debt ratio was just under par. Our angel of a loan officer punched in my numbers and I qualified. (Yes, it does pay to become an authorized user.) We found a house. Made an offer. All was well. Until a fax crossed her desk saying I had a defaulted student loan in error and that I needed to call the Dept of Education. Now, before the nursing program, I did obtain a student loan for $1200 in Jan. 1987. I paid it off and withdrew after one semester(I attended from Jan or Feb '87 to May '87. Well, the school closed down in 1991 and the reason was because of misappropriation of federal and government funds. They were keeping students, like myself, enrolled after they had withdrawn, therefore receiving federal monies fraudulantly. I found a pdf file dated 12/24/91 from the Dept of Education:
http://www.ed-oha.org/cases/1991-GSS-ea.pdf
It clearly states that the school was negligent and mishandled federal funds. This was in 1987. When the school closed in 1991, I had not defaulted, THEY HAD DEFAULTED ME. So, the school closes. The loan goes into default, the Dept of Education transfers the file to the Dept of Justice, then, ultimately ends up at a law firm in Los Angeles with a balance due of nearly $7000! My loan agent is the best and my seller is just as wonderful. I've received an extension while this gets worked out. Whether or not I am going to need to get my own attorney is still up in the air. I had the law firm fax my file to me. At first when this came to light I was thinking about identity theft, something. But not this. My loan documentation is clearly forged. White out was used where the amount of the loan is written. I brought the file to my agent and she immediately phoned the law firm; this was Oct 15, 2010 in the am. No return call from the firm. She tells me that I am not going to lose the house. And though I trust and believe this will be resolved, I am still concerned. This was 22 yrs ago and I am a bit hazy; I don't have cancelled checks or receipts. There aren't any statements to retrieve But things are coming back to me. Like tax refunds due to me yet I would only get a letter stating I had been offset. (These offsets began in 1995 so I was assuming it was due to the student loan I received for the nursing program). And I am curious, can you get a second student loan if you've defaulted on the first one? I had no problem obtaining the 2nd one. I apologize for the length. I am almost finished. I don't want to get discouraged and I am really hoping that you know of something like this. My loan agent told me of a woman who went to the same school during the same time and her debt was near $9000. When asked what the outcome was, my agent stated the woman feared confrontation; the loan process stopped and she remains on CAIVRS today. I feel frustrated but still focused. Can you help me? I've secured some money if I need to retain an attorney but would like that to be the last resort.
Hi Ellie,
When you pay for FHA mortgage insurance, it covers your lender in the event that you default on your mortgage and the home fetches less in the foreclosure sale than the balance on your loan. In that case, a claim is paid and you are listed on CAIVRS. Once your three years has passed, you should be good to go.
Good luck!
Gina
Hi Gina,
My husband and I had an FHA mortgage that was foreclosed on in October of 2007. Our lender told us that as of this friday we should be clear to start the approval process for a new FHA loan. If our house sold for less at the sheriff's sale (when it was foreclosed) than we actually owed on the mortgage, could that difference in amount remain on our CAIVRS report even after the three year period had passed? If we owed money to the government because they didn't recoup all the money for the mortgage at the sale would we have been notified of that at any point in time? I'm nervous!
Hi Camille,
Ordinarily, if a home buyer wants to buy a new home before selling the old one, she has to either have enough income to qualify while making both payments, or she has to offset the payment on the old house with rental income. If that's the case, she has rental property.
Hi Leslie,
That's odd that the lender missed the CAIVRS check -- ordinarily that's the very first thing you do when processing a government loan. You do it as part of the process of ordering the case number. There is no reason that an FHA lender can't issue an approval subject to the name dropping off CAIVRS.
We're attempting to qualify for a USDA loan, and just barely squeaked by on the income requirements. Our offer has been accepted on the new house, but our current house is still on the market and hasn't sold yet. I know we can't have any 'income' properties with the USDA mortgage, but was wondering if the current house still being in our name (and not sold) would qualify as 'income' property, or if we'd need to wait until it sells before progressing with the new loan . I hope this makes sense, and thanks so much for your insight!
Gina - you are amazing - what a public service you are providing - my buyer was to close 2 weeks ago and 2 DAYS before closing it came up on caivrs (lender missed it before??) - She had a short sale 3 years ago - not on credit -(and deed in lieu of foreclosure not checked, should it have been?) everyone is a mess, seller was supposed to buy a house in FLA - the lender has no idea what to do - the FHA insured pay date was Nov. 17, 2007 - any ideas what happens after the name drops off caivrs? The FHA resource center sends emails that are so hard to understand. THe florida agent is asking lender to give committment with just the condition that the name has to come off Caivrs - Need your help asap - Peace, Leslie
Only the spouse who is on a loan will show up in the event of a default. That said, when one spouse applies for an FHA loan, the credit of the other spouse is often checked (in community property states especially) and that can affect the underwriting decision.
iF THE LENDER SAYS THAT YOU ARE NOT ON THE LOAN AND ONLY YOUR HUSBAND IS DOES THAT MEAN THEY CAN NOT DEFAULT ON ME?
If you were not on the loan you cannot have defaulted on it. So you should e fine.
I was on the deed of a fha after my mothers home flooded and she was sick. Mother didnt add me on to the loan only quick claimed me to the deed will I show up?
Hi, my husband defaulted on a student loan in September 2008, but brought it current in January 2009. He has since made payments on time. We want to apply for an FHA loan, but are afraid that he'll show up on CAIVRS. Can you please inform if his situation qualifies him to be flagged, and if so, how long until he is off CAIVRS.